Lisa Welchel promoting child abuse

[spank the parents]

The former Blair from Facts of Life, now a fundamentalist Christian,
has some strange ideas about the facts of life herself.

http://www.stoptherod.net/creativecorrection.html

In this bizaare and abuse-filled book, former actress Lisa Whelchel
calls children these cruel names: ankle-biter, pests, “a handful”,
raucous, haphazard, messy, pesky, hyenas, arrogant, and “filled with
schemes to do wrong.” Yet on p.193 the author says name-calling isn’t
allowed in her house!

Denigration of children is coupled with bribes of money and sweets,
and a menu of frequent and various punishments. And although hitting
is supposedly “not allowed” in the author’s house (p.193), and she
claims she “isn’t violent” (p.170), she frequently spanks her 3
children. Her prescription for hitting is on p.183-185. Other,
“creative” boot-camp style tortures are recommended on p.146-161.

Apparently all these “Creative Corrections” don’t even work, since on
p.274 Whelchel admits “My kids still act up and disobey” and spanking
“didn’t work” on her son Tucker (p.171) Whelchel says her grandmother
asked her not to spank (p.157). This book is recommended by Focus on
the Family.

Here are more quotes from this “creative” child abuse manual:

p.xiv Whelchel’s son, “Tucker, like all of us…comes by his sin
naturally. In fact, the roots of misbehavior can be traced all the way
back to Adam.” (This is said after describing Tucker being noisy and
climbing rails. Tucker has ADHD.)
p.5 Whelchel talks to a fellow actress and “was tempted to slap her
with a wet wipe.”
p.18 After Whelchel’s son says his half-naked father looks like he’s
“about to die on the cross like Jesus”, she claims: “Our children
closely identify us with God.”
p.22 “All children are born with foolishness bound up in their
hearts.” “When we allow our children to determine the outcome of a
situation, even subtly, it weakens their trust in us.”
p.25 “I grew up in the South, where I was taught to reply, ‘Yes, sir’
or ‘Yes, ma’am’ when following instruction.”
p.26 “King Solomon, who was the wisest man who ever lived.” (What
happened to Jesus?)
p.27 “Disobedience comes in many forms, including whining.”
p.28 “Teaching our children to obey us and our words is primarily to
teach them to obey God and His Word.” “Because the rules I’m
instilling are God’s, I no longer have to respond with ‘Because I’m
the mom. That’s why!’ I can calmly tell my kids, ‘Honey, I didn’t make
up these rules, God did.”
p.58 “discipline the flesh” p.59 “correcting the flesh” p.62 “bodily
discipline”
p.75 Whelchel approves of filling a boy’s room with manure!
p.79 “God…loves us too much to let us go unpunished.”
p.99 “Stealing a cookie from the jar when Mom isn’t looking is easily
punishable with a slap on the hand.”
p.101 “Whatever we deny our children now is for their good later.”

and much more.....

her website is

http://www.creativecorrection.com/

[Justin Pate]

Post by spank the parents
The former Blair from Facts of Life, now a fundamentalist Christian,
has some strange ideas about the facts of life herself.
http://www.stoptherod.net/creativecorrection.html

You know what, I bet her kids love her, while on the other hand I bet you
grew up hating your parents with a passion.

[R. Steve Walz]

Post by Justin Pate

Post by spank the parents
The former Blair from Facts of Life, now a fundamentalist Christian,
has some strange ideas about the facts of life herself.
http://www.stoptherod.net/creativecorrection.html

You know what, I bet her kids love her, while on the other hand I bet you
grew up hating your parents with a passion.

---------------
That's the kind of ass-backward delusion that you Fundy shit imagine.
Steve

[SyVyN11]

Post by spank the parents
The former Blair from Facts of Life, now a fundamentalist Christian,
has some strange ideas about the facts of life herself.
http://www.stoptherod.net/creativecorrection.html

since Ms. Welchel is too much of a lady to say this, and I am the furtherst
thing from a gentleman, I will say this on her behalf.

BITE ME ASSHOLE!!!

[Le Puissant Monsieur Lee]

Post by SyVyN11
since Ms.

You're leaving now? Aren't you going to stay and help with the dishes?

Post by SyVyN11
A day without sunshine is like, night.

Why not ring Dr. Jack Kevorkian?

Post by SyVyN11
Welchel is too much of a lady to say this, and I am the furtherst
thing from a gentleman, I will say this on her behalf.

I don't want to say anything that.

Post by SyVyN11

.

Milk and cookies every night.

Post by SyVyN11
BITE ME ASSHOLE!!!

Oooooh. Bite you? Ok. Open your legs.

[R. Steve Walz]

Post by SyVyN11

Post by spank the parents
The former Blair from Facts of Life, now a fundamentalist Christian,
has some strange ideas about the facts of life herself.
http://www.stoptherod.net/creativecorrection.html

since Ms. Welchel is too much of a lady to say this, and I am the furtherst
thing from a gentleman, I will say this on her behalf.
BITE ME ASSHOLE!!!

--------------------
Eat your shit and die, you Fundy asshole clown!
Steve

[SyVyN11]

Post by R. Steve Walz

Post by SyVyN11

Post by spank the parents
The former Blair from Facts of Life, now a fundamentalist Christian,
has some strange ideas about the facts of life herself.
http://www.stoptherod.net/creativecorrection.html

since Ms. Welchel is too much of a lady to say this, and I am the furtherst
thing from a gentleman, I will say this on her behalf.
BITE ME ASSHOLE!!!

--------------------
Eat your shit and die, you Fundy asshole clown!
Steve

Stevie, I am the furtherest thing away from a christain!

[BTR1701]

Post by SyVyN11

Post by R. Steve Walz

Post by SyVyN11

Post by spank the parents
The former Blair from Facts of Life, now a fundamentalist Christian,
has some strange ideas about the facts of life herself.
http://www.stoptherod.net/creativecorrection.html

since Ms. Welchel is too much of a lady to say this, and I am the furtherst
thing from a gentleman, I will say this on her behalf.
BITE ME ASSHOLE!!!

--------------------
Eat your shit and die, you Fundy asshole clown!
Steve

Stevie, I am the furtherest thing away from a christain!

Apparently anyone who disagrees with him for any reason is automatically
a "Fundy". Just one more reason he's a complete idiot.

[Le Puissant Monsieur Lee]

.

Factitious.

No. Today is my 1st day on paxil.

Thank you for sharing, SyVyN11.

Stevie, I am the furtherest thing away from a christain!

You are not the furtherest thing away from a christain. You are lame.

[R. Steve Walz]

Post by SyVyN11

Post by R. Steve Walz

Post by SyVyN11

Post by spank the parents
The former Blair from Facts of Life, now a fundamentalist Christian,
has some strange ideas about the facts of life herself.
http://www.stoptherod.net/creativecorrection.html

since Ms. Welchel is too much of a lady to say this, and I am the furtherst
thing from a gentleman, I will say this on her behalf.
BITE ME ASSHOLE!!!

--------------------
Eat your shit and die, you Fundy asshole clown!
Steve

Stevie, I am the furtherest thing away from a christain!

--------------
Then quit saying the shit that THEY say!!
Steve

[SyVyN11]

Post by R. Steve Walz

Post by SyVyN11

Post by R. Steve Walz

Post by SyVyN11

Post by spank the parents
The former Blair from Facts of Life, now a fundamentalist Christian,
has some strange ideas about the facts of life herself.
http://www.stoptherod.net/creativecorrection.html

since Ms. Welchel is too much of a lady to say this, and I am the furtherst
thing from a gentleman, I will say this on her behalf.
BITE ME ASSHOLE!!!

--------------------
Eat your shit and die, you Fundy asshole clown!
Steve

Stevie, I am the furtherest thing away from a christain!

--------------
Then quit saying the shit that THEY say!!
Steve

Shit like....

GO FUCK YOURSELF?

Don't know many 'fundies' that would say that.

[Captain Infinity]

Post by spank the parents
The former Blair from Facts of Life, now a fundamentalist Christian,
has some strange ideas about the facts of life herself.
http://www.stoptherod.net/creativecorrection.html
In this bizaare and abuse-filled book, former actress Lisa Whelchel
calls children these cruel names: ankle-biter, pests, “a handful”,
raucous, haphazard, messy, pesky, hyenas, arrogant, and “filled with
schemes to do wrong.” Yet on p.193 the author says name-calling isn’t
allowed in her house!
Denigration of children is coupled with bribes of money and sweets,
and a menu of frequent and various punishments. And although hitting
is supposedly “not allowed” in the author’s house (p.193), and she
claims she “isn’t violent” (p.170), she frequently spanks her 3
children. Her prescription for hitting is on p.183-185. Other,
“creative” boot-camp style tortures are recommended on p.146-161.
Apparently all these “Creative Corrections” don’t even work, since on
p.274 Whelchel admits “My kids still act up and disobey” and spanking
“didn’t work” on her son Tucker (p.171) Whelchel says her grandmother
asked her not to spank (p.157). This book is recommended by Focus on
the Family.
p.xiv Whelchel’s son, “Tucker, like all of us…comes by his sin
naturally. In fact, the roots of misbehavior can be traced all the way
back to Adam.” (This is said after describing Tucker being noisy and
climbing rails. Tucker has ADHD.)
p.5 Whelchel talks to a fellow actress and “was tempted to slap her
with a wet wipe.”
p.18 After Whelchel’s son says his half-naked father looks like he’s
“about to die on the cross like Jesus”, she claims: “Our children
closely identify us with God.”
p.22 “All children are born with foolishness bound up in their
hearts.” “When we allow our children to determine the outcome of a
situation, even subtly, it weakens their trust in us.”
p.25 “I grew up in the South, where I was taught to reply, ‘Yes, sir’
or ‘Yes, ma’am’ when following instruction.”
p.26 “King Solomon, who was the wisest man who ever lived.” (What
happened to Jesus?)
p.27 “Disobedience comes in many forms, including whining.”
p.28 “Teaching our children to obey us and our words is primarily to
teach them to obey God and His Word.” “Because the rules I’m
instilling are God’s, I no longer have to respond with ‘Because I’m
the mom. That’s why!’ I can calmly tell my kids, ‘Honey, I didn’t make
up these rules, God did.”
p.58 “discipline the flesh” p.59 “correcting the flesh” p.62 “bodily
discipline”
p.75 Whelchel approves of filling a boy’s room with manure!
p.79 “God…loves us too much to let us go unpunished.”
p.99 “Stealing a cookie from the jar when Mom isn’t looking is easily
punishable with a slap on the hand.”
p.101 “Whatever we deny our children now is for their good later.”
and much more.....
her website is
http://www.creativecorrection.com/

Wow. I've always liked and admired Lisa Welchel, ever since I first saw
her perform with the New Mickey Mouse Club at Disney World in 1977. And
even tough I consider "faith in God" to be a form of mental disease,
anyone who supports disciplining kids with physical abuse is OK in my
book! Those hyperactive little bastards need a good slap! GO LISA!!


**
Captain Infinity

[R. Steve Walz]

Post by Captain Infinity
Wow. I've always liked and admired Lisa Welchel, ever since I first saw
her perform with the New Mickey Mouse Club at Disney World in 1977.

---------------
Nice tits and ass, but she is a Fundy ditz.

Post by Captain Infinity
And
even tough I consider "faith in God" to be a form of mental disease,

---------------
Amen.

Post by Captain Infinity
anyone who supports disciplining kids with physical abuse is OK in my
book! Those hyperactive little bastards need a good slap! GO LISA!!
**
Captain Infinity

-------------------
You're a little confused. You can hit back when attacked by kids
committing criminal acts, but trying to brainwash them and institute
the Fundy thought-control like these shitheads do is just criminality
itself!!

To properly train kids to get along in society you must grant them
their civil rights, just as we do adults, while holding these kids
responsible for the same things we hold adults responsible for. To
learn how to run, you must run! To make kids grow into adults, you
must require them to be responsible like adults.
Steve

[127.0.0.1]

Post by R. Steve Walz
To properly train kids to get along in society you must grant them
their civil rights.

At what age do you suggest kids receive these 'Civil Rights' Steve?

[R. Steve Walz]

Post by 127.0.0.1

Post by R. Steve Walz
To properly train kids to get along in society you must grant them
their civil rights.

At what age do you suggest kids receive these 'Civil Rights' Steve?

-------------------
From day one, you ass.
Of course you couldn't fathom what that means.
Steve

[Captain Infinity]

Post by R. Steve Walz

Post by 127.0.0.1

Post by R. Steve Walz
To properly train kids to get along in society you must grant them
their civil rights.

At what age do you suggest kids receive these 'Civil Rights' Steve?

-------------------
From day one, you ass.
Of course you couldn't fathom what that means.

Hey, it's his right as a human being not to understand. Don't you
oppress him, you bastard!


**
Captain Infinity

[R. Steve Walz]

Post by Captain Infinity

Post by R. Steve Walz

Post by 127.0.0.1

Post by R. Steve Walz
To properly train kids to get along in society you must grant them
their civil rights.

At what age do you suggest kids receive these 'Civil Rights' Steve?

-------------------
From day one, you ass.
Of course you couldn't fathom what that means.

Hey, it's his right as a human being not to understand. Don't you
oppress him, you bastard!

-----------------------
I'm not his parent, and he's not a minor, I can't possibly oppress
him.
Steve

[Captain Infinity]

Post by R. Steve Walz

Post by Captain Infinity

Post by R. Steve Walz

Post by 127.0.0.1

Post by R. Steve Walz
To properly train kids to get along in society you must grant them
their civil rights.

At what age do you suggest kids receive these 'Civil Rights' Steve?

-------------------
From day one, you ass.
Of course you couldn't fathom what that means.

Hey, it's his right as a human being not to understand. Don't you
oppress him, you bastard!

-----------------------
I'm not his parent, and he's not a minor, I can't possibly oppress
him.

Oh ho! So now you're trying to oppress me, are you? WELL! J'accuse,
sir, j'accuse! PISTOLS AT DAWN!


**
Captain Infinity

[BTR1701]

Post by spank the parents
The former Blair from Facts of Life, now a fundamentalist Christian,
has some strange ideas about the facts of life herself.
http://www.stoptherod.net/creativecorrection.html
In this bizaare and abuse-filled book, former actress Lisa Whelchel
calls children these cruel names: ankle-biter, pests, “a handful”,
raucous, haphazard, messy, pesky, hyenas, arrogant, and “filled with
schemes to do wrong.

And she's absolutely right. That's exactly what they are.

Post by spank the parents
p.25 "I grew up in the South, where I was taught to reply, 'Yes, sir’'
or 'Yes, ma’am’' when following instruction."

Yeah, heaven forbid more kids do that. How terrible it would be for some
of the little shits to have some actual manners.

Post by spank the parents
p.27 "Disobedience comes in many forms, including whining."

What's wrong with this statement? It's true.

[Anim8rFSK]

I've always thought she was abusing those kids, right back to her
interviews about keeping them locked away at home, with no media; no TV,
no radio, no magazines, no newspapers, and home schooling. Unless she
keeps them chained to the butter churn, they're going to be ill prepared
to go more than 100 yards from their insane father's house.

[BTR1701]

Post by Anim8rFSK
I've always thought she was abusing those kids, right back to her
interviews about keeping them locked away at home, with no media; no TV,
no radio, no magazines, no newspapers, and home schooling. Unless she
keeps them chained to the butter churn, they're going to be ill prepared
to go more than 100 yards from their insane father's house.

She's apparently a religious nutter but the idea that you're being
abusive because you either don't think kids are just the sweetest things
on earth or force them to behave in a courteous and respectful manner
toward adults is ridiculous.

[R. Steve Walz]

Post by BTR1701

Post by Anim8rFSK
I've always thought she was abusing those kids, right back to her
interviews about keeping them locked away at home, with no media; no TV,
no radio, no magazines, no newspapers, and home schooling. Unless she
keeps them chained to the butter churn, they're going to be ill prepared
to go more than 100 yards from their insane father's house.

She's apparently a religious nutter but the idea that you're being
abusive because you either don't think kids are just the sweetest things
on earth or force them to behave in a courteous and respectful manner
toward adults is ridiculous.

-------------
Trying to abuse children and then require them to treat you nice is
an idiot's errand, it doesn't work. You cannot command respect, you
must EARN IT, and being kind to children makes them wish to treat you
in a kind manner.
Steve

[BTR1701]

Post by R. Steve Walz

Post by BTR1701

Post by Anim8rFSK
I've always thought she was abusing those kids, right back to her
interviews about keeping them locked away at home, with no media; no TV,
no radio, no magazines, no newspapers, and home schooling. Unless she
keeps them chained to the butter churn, they're going to be ill prepared
to go more than 100 yards from their insane father's house.

She's apparently a religious nutter but the idea that you're being
abusive because you either don't think kids are just the sweetest things
on earth or force them to behave in a courteous and respectful manner
toward adults is ridiculous.

-------------
Trying to abuse children and then require them to treat you nice is
an idiot's errand, it doesn't work. You cannot command respect, you
must EARN IT, and being kind to children makes them wish to treat you
in a kind manner.

Frankly, I wold prefer to never interact with a child in any way, shape
or form. Unfortunately, the little things are everywhere and their
parents will inflict them on you anywhere, anytime, with no compunction
whatsoever.

But then again I have no idea why I bothered responding to you
rationally since you've more than proved yourself to be a complete idiot.

[127.0.0.1]

Post by BTR1701

Post by R. Steve Walz
-------------
Trying to abuse children and then require them to treat you nice is
an idiot's errand, it doesn't work. You cannot command respect, you
must EARN IT, and being kind to children makes them wish to treat you
in a kind manner.

Frankly, I wold prefer to never interact with a child in any way, shape
or form.

Wtf do you have against kids?

Post by BTR1701
Unfortunately, the little things are everywhere and their
parents will inflict them on you anywhere, anytime, with no compunction
whatsoever.

Damn feminist bull dyke.

[c***@yahoo.com]

Post by 127.0.0.1

Post by BTR1701
Frankly, I wold prefer to never interact with a child in any way, shape
or form.

Wtf do you have against kids?

Kids are evil little bastards.

Brandon

[BTR1701]

Post by 127.0.0.1

Post by BTR1701

Post by R. Steve Walz
-------------
Trying to abuse children and then require them to treat you nice is
an idiot's errand, it doesn't work. You cannot command respect, you
must EARN IT, and being kind to children makes them wish to treat you
in a kind manner.

Frankly, I wold prefer to never interact with a child in any way, shape
or form.

Wtf do you have against kids?

Just don't like 'em. Never have, never will. If people want to have
them, fine. They should just keep them to themselves and not bother
other adults who are, say, trying to watch a movie with their squalling
brood.

Post by 127.0.0.1

Post by BTR1701
Unfortunately, the little things are everywhere and their
parents will inflict them on you anywhere, anytime, with no compunction
whatsoever.

Damn feminist bull dyke.

And that's an amazing accomplishment for me, since I'm not even female.

[c***@yahoo.com]

Post by R. Steve Walz
Trying to abuse children and then require them to treat you nice is
an idiot's errand, it doesn't work. You cannot command respect, you
must EARN IT, and being kind to children makes them wish to treat you
in a kind manner.

I have to go with Machiavelli on this one, it being better to be feared
than loved.

Brandon

[R. Steve Walz]

Post by c***@yahoo.com

Post by R. Steve Walz
Trying to abuse children and then require them to treat you nice is
an idiot's errand, it doesn't work. You cannot command respect, you
must EARN IT, and being kind to children makes them wish to treat you
in a kind manner.

I have to go with Machiavelli on this one, it being better to be feared
than loved.
Brandon

---------------------
Machiavellis wind up dead. Being feared gets you hated, getting
yourself hated gets you attacked or abandoned. Your slaves run
away!
Steve

[Anim8rFSK]

Post by BTR1701

Post by Anim8rFSK
I've always thought she was abusing those kids, right back to her
interviews about keeping them locked away at home, with no media; no TV,
no radio, no magazines, no newspapers, and home schooling. Unless she
keeps them chained to the butter churn, they're going to be ill prepared
to go more than 100 yards from their insane father's house.

She's apparently a religious nutter but the idea that you're being
abusive because you either don't think kids are just the sweetest things
on earth or force them to behave in a courteous and respectful manner
toward adults is ridiculous.

Except neither of those things are why I think she's guilty of child
abuse.

[BTR1701]

Post by Anim8rFSK

Post by BTR1701

Post by Anim8rFSK
I've always thought she was abusing those kids, right back to her
interviews about keeping them locked away at home, with no media; no TV,
no radio, no magazines, no newspapers, and home schooling. Unless she
keeps them chained to the butter churn, they're going to be ill prepared
to go more than 100 yards from their insane father's house.

She's apparently a religious nutter but the idea that you're being
abusive because you either don't think kids are just the sweetest things
on earth or force them to behave in a courteous and respectful manner
toward adults is ridiculous.

Except neither of those things are why I think she's guilty of child
abuse.

Well, they were cited as evidence of abuse by the original poster.

[Priz]

Post by Anim8rFSK
I've always thought she was abusing those kids, right back to her
interviews about keeping them locked away at home, with no media; no TV,
no radio, no magazines, no newspapers, and home schooling. Unless she
keeps them chained to the butter churn, they're going to be ill prepared
to go more than 100 yards from their insane father's house.

I had never heard that one before. I read some of the exerpts on that
website and found them frightening. I'm not against spanking children,
but I am against, brainwashing, mind control, and other forms of abuse,
which is what I think is being advocated here. I wonder how many
people who advocate the sort of stuff in this book would be like if
they had been brought up with some of this sort of stuff. I wonder if
they would be able to survive on the outside on their own, like you
say.

Her religious leanings don't surprise me though. I remember when Facts
of Life was still on TV. There was an episode that dealt with one of
the girls losing her virginity. Whelchel refused to appear in the
episode because she objected to it. I thought this was bizzare.

Priz

[dragonlady]

Post by Priz
There was an episode that dealt with one of
the girls losing her virginity. Whelchel refused to appear in the
episode because she objected to it. I thought this was bizzare.

While I may not share her religious convictions, I found it refreshing
that a young actor would refuse to appear in a show that she believed
was immoral.

I think it would be pretty cool if more professionals would insist that
those shows that are aimed at children and teens had their main
characters demonstrated the sorts of values we would prefer our own
children have.

As I said, I find the basic attitude towards children's behavior
problematic -- that is, that all are born in sin and are, because of
Adam and Eve's first sin, bound to be "bad" -- but let's stick to the
stuff worth criticizing.

[Captain Infinity]

Post by dragonlady
Children won't care how much you know until they know how much you care

When you can balance a tack hammer on your head, you will head off your
foes with a balanced attack.


**
Captain Infinity

[R. Steve Walz]

Post by dragonlady

Post by Priz
There was an episode that dealt with one of
the girls losing her virginity. Whelchel refused to appear in the
episode because she objected to it. I thought this was bizzare.

While I may not share her religious convictions, I found it refreshing
that a young actor would refuse to appear in a show that she believed
was immoral.

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And that means lots of us find you insane.

Post by dragonlady
I think it would be pretty cool if more professionals would insist that
those shows that are aimed at children and teens had their main
characters demonstrated the sorts of values we would prefer our own
children have.

-----------------------
And what YOU *REALLY* don't "get" is that a considerable bunch of us
out here WANT TOTALLY DIFFERENT values, ones that YOU imagine are EVIL,
and that WE believe you are emotionally DISTURBED for opposing!!

Post by dragonlady
As I said, I find the basic attitude towards children's behavior
problematic -- that is, that all are born in sin and are, because of
Adam and Eve's first sin, bound to be "bad" -- but let's stick to the
stuff worth criticizing.

-------------------------
Yeah, that's REALLY nuts.

But, you just think in your distorted mind that SEX is the Ultimate
Model for Evil, instead of the TRUE EVILS of cruelty, hate, avarice,
wealth, and tyranny!!
Steve

[dragonlady]

Post by R. Steve Walz

Post by dragonlady

Post by Priz
There was an episode that dealt with one of
the girls losing her virginity. Whelchel refused to appear in the
episode because she objected to it. I thought this was bizzare.

While I may not share her religious convictions, I found it refreshing
that a young actor would refuse to appear in a show that she believed
was immoral.

----------------------
And that means lots of us find you insane.

Please read what I actually wrote, Steve, instead of what you assume to
be true.

I said I found it refreshing that a young actor would refuse to be in a
show that SHE found immoral -- not that I agreed with her.

[R. Steve Walz]

Post by dragonlady

Post by R. Steve Walz

Post by dragonlady

Post by Priz
There was an episode that dealt with one of
the girls losing her virginity. Whelchel refused to appear in the
episode because she objected to it. I thought this was bizzare.

While I may not share her religious convictions, I found it refreshing
that a young actor would refuse to appear in a show that she believed
was immoral.

----------------------
And that means lots of us find you insane.

Please read what I actually wrote, Steve, instead of what you assume to
be true.
I said I found it refreshing that a young actor would refuse to be in a
show that SHE found immoral -- not that I agreed with her.

-----------------------------
Then you're confused as to what should refresh you and why.
Steve

[j***@yahoo.com]

Post by BTR1701

Post by spank the parents
The former Blair from Facts of Life, now a fundamentalist Christian,
has some strange ideas about the facts of life herself.
http://www.stoptherod.net/creativecorrection.html
In this bizaare and abuse-filled book, former actress Lisa Whelchel
calls children these cruel names: ankle-biter, pests, "a handful",
raucous, haphazard, messy, pesky, hyenas, arrogant, and "filled with
schemes to do wrong.

And she's absolutely right. That's exactly what they are.

Post by spank the parents
p.25 "I grew up in the South, where I was taught to reply, 'Yes, sir''
or 'Yes, ma'am'' when following instruction."

Yeah, heaven forbid more kids do that. How terrible it would be for some
of the little shits to have some actual manners.

Post by spank the parents
p.27 "Disobedience comes in many forms, including whining."

What's wrong with this statement? It's true.

I haven't read Lisa Whelchel's book, but I visited the stoptherod web
page. In some instances, I thought her disciplinary techniques were
rather harsh, but unless she's hitting her kids hard enough to leave
marks, I wouldn't consider her methods abusive. To put it another way,
I don't see anything here that would warrant a visit from social
services. If people want to advocate for abused children who cannot
speak up for themselves, that's great. I'm all for it. But these folks
should focus on children who truly are victims of abuse and who really
need help, not kids whose parents happen to be strict or old-fashioned.

And yes, I agree that kids should be taught good manners and that they
should behave themselves. They also need to learn how to get along
with others and how to delay gratification of needs/wants. Overall, I
think today's kids receive too little discipline rather than too much
discipline. Personally, I'm not a fan of spanking. But if your toddler
keeps running in the street no matter how many times you say no or try
to distract him or put him in time-out, then I say a few taps on the
bottom are preferable to letting the kid get hit by a car.

[R. Steve Walz]

Post by j***@yahoo.com

Post by BTR1701

Post by spank the parents
The former Blair from Facts of Life, now a fundamentalist Christian,
has some strange ideas about the facts of life herself.
http://www.stoptherod.net/creativecorrection.html
In this bizaare and abuse-filled book, former actress Lisa Whelchel
calls children these cruel names: ankle-biter, pests, "a handful",
raucous, haphazard, messy, pesky, hyenas, arrogant, and "filled with
schemes to do wrong.

And she's absolutely right. That's exactly what they are.

Post by spank the parents
p.25 "I grew up in the South, where I was taught to reply, 'Yes, sir''
or 'Yes, ma'am'' when following instruction."

Yeah, heaven forbid more kids do that. How terrible it would be for some
of the little shits to have some actual manners.

Post by spank the parents
p.27 "Disobedience comes in many forms, including whining."

What's wrong with this statement? It's true.

I haven't read Lisa Whelchel's book, but I visited the stoptherod web
page. In some instances, I thought her disciplinary techniques were
rather harsh, but unless she's hitting her kids hard enough to leave
marks, I wouldn't consider her methods abusive.

-----------------------
But that's only because you're brainwashed and emotionally disturbed.

Post by j***@yahoo.com
And yes, I agree that kids should be taught good manners and that they
should behave themselves. They also need to learn how to get along
with others and how to delay gratification of needs/wants. Overall, I
think today's kids receive too little discipline rather than too much
discipline. Personally, I'm not a fan of spanking. But if your toddler
keeps running in the street no matter how many times you say no or try
to distract him or put him in time-out, then I say a few taps on the
bottom are preferable to letting the kid get hit by a car.

-----------------------------------
That example doesn't even work! It is an old saw, but research shows
that assaulting a child who endangers himself actually makes him fixate
on trying it again when you're not around, and that expressing fear
works MUCh better at dissuading a child from endangering themselevs.

Everyone who drags out this erreoneous notion really secretly LOVES
hitting children to get paid back for when THEY were hit as a child
in order to reinforce their sense of adult entitlement over and
against those who abused THEM in childhood. It is evidence of an
emotional sickness.

If you truly want a toddler to steer clear of the street, cry and
show them how terrified it made you. THAT makes the kind of impression
on the child that you want to make, and with none of the fixated
resentment that results from anger and hitting.
Steve

[Captain Infinity]

Post by R. Steve Walz
If you truly want a toddler to steer clear of the street, cry and
show them how terrified it made you. THAT makes the kind of impression
on the child that you want to make, and with none of the fixated
resentment that results from anger and hitting.
Steve

I'll bet you're a "therapist", aren't you? You probably make your
living leeching off of the emotionally crippled. That's why you promote
it.


**
Captain Infinity

[BTR1701]

Post by Captain Infinity

Post by R. Steve Walz
If you truly want a toddler to steer clear of the street, cry and
show them how terrified it made you. THAT makes the kind of impression
on the child that you want to make, and with none of the fixated
resentment that results from anger and hitting.
Steve

I'll bet you're a "therapist", aren't you? You probably make your
living leeching off of the emotionally crippled. That's why you promote
it.

No, he's just a complete idiot.

[R. Steve Walz]

Post by BTR1701

Post by Captain Infinity

Post by R. Steve Walz
If you truly want a toddler to steer clear of the street, cry and
show them how terrified it made you. THAT makes the kind of impression
on the child that you want to make, and with none of the fixated
resentment that results from anger and hitting.
Steve

I'll bet you're a "therapist", aren't you? You probably make your
living leeching off of the emotionally crippled. That's why you promote
it.

No, he's just a complete idiot.

-----------------
That's all you got, you're a poorly written Perl script.
Steve

[BTR1701]

Post by R. Steve Walz

Post by BTR1701

Post by Captain Infinity

Post by R. Steve Walz
If you truly want a toddler to steer clear of the street, cry and
show them how terrified it made you. THAT makes the kind of impression
on the child that you want to make, and with none of the fixated
resentment that results from anger and hitting.
Steve

I'll bet you're a "therapist", aren't you? You probably make your
living leeching off of the emotionally crippled. That's why you promote
it.

No, he's just a complete idiot.

-----------------
That's all you got, you're a poorly written Perl script.

If anything, I'm a spectacularly well-written Perl script.

[trotsky]

Post by BTR1701

Post by R. Steve Walz

Post by BTR1701

Post by Captain Infinity

Post by R. Steve Walz
If you truly want a toddler to steer clear of the street, cry and
show them how terrified it made you. THAT makes the kind of impression
on the child that you want to make, and with none of the fixated
resentment that results from anger and hitting.
Steve

I'll bet you're a "therapist", aren't you? You probably make your
living leeching off of the emotionally crippled. That's why you promote
it.

No, he's just a complete idiot.

-----------------
That's all you got, you're a poorly written Perl script.

If anything, I'm a spectacularly well-written Perl script.

You misspelled "anonymous dickhead".

[R. Steve Walz]

Post by Captain Infinity

Post by R. Steve Walz
If you truly want a toddler to steer clear of the street, cry and
show them how terrified it made you. THAT makes the kind of impression
on the child that you want to make, and with none of the fixated
resentment that results from anger and hitting.
Steve

I'll bet you're a "therapist", aren't you?

----------------
No, I'm an engineer.
You're the kind who's politically frightened of therapists.
You're afraid you need one.
And you're RIGHT!
Steve

[LindaY]

Post by R. Steve Walz
on the child that you want to make, and with none of the fixated
resentment that results from anger and hitting.

Er, what "fixated resentment"? I was spanked occasionally when I was
small and harbor no resentment of all. I was one of those kids running
across the street. My mom tried everything: time outs, withdrawal of
privileges, etc. Finally one day she just spanked me. Never did it
again. Enjoyed a close relationship with both Mom and Dad all my life;
didn't even mind going with them places throughout my teens, unlike
some kids who hate being seen with their parents.

Several of Whelchel's statements sound weird to me, but then I'm not
Fundamentalist, either.

Linda

[R. Steve Walz]

Post by LindaY

Post by R. Steve Walz
on the child that you want to make, and with none of the fixated
resentment that results from anger and hitting.

Er, what "fixated resentment"? I was spanked occasionally when I was
small and harbor no resentment of all.

-----------------------
You're lying. People do this to take the side of their abuser so that
they don't feel as abused for having agreed with their abuse. But the
problem is that it's a lie to the Self. In psychology the dynamic is
called cognitive dissonance, and examples are the Stockholm Syndrome
and learned helplessness in spousal abuse.

Post by LindaY
I was one of those kids running
across the street. My mom tried everything: time outs, withdrawal of
privileges, etc. Finally one day she just spanked me. Never did it
again. Enjoyed a close relationship with both Mom and Dad all my life;
didn't even mind going with them places throughout my teens, unlike
some kids who hate being seen with their parents.

---------------------------------
You have a great deal of buried hatred you're not dealing with, and
which has crippled your creativity, autonomy, and sense of yourself
all your life. It is a classic women's gambit, to knuckle under and
ever so secretly hate. It cripples you as a person.
Steve

[LindaY]

Post by R. Steve Walz
You're lying. People do this to take the side of their abuser so that
they don't feel as abused for having agreed with their abuse. But the
problem is that it's a lie to the Self. In psychology the dynamic is
called cognitive dissonance, and examples are the Stockholm Syndrome
and learned helplessness in spousal abuse.

[eyes roll] Oh, good grief. The only punishment I ever resented was the
time my dad yelled at me in front of my girlfriend. I don't resent
anything else. You sound as if you are a person who cannot believe that
anyone ever got along with their parents. I am very sorry if your
parents treated you badly as a child; my grandfather did this to my dad
and I did resent HIM for it. But I was not abused by my parents. Sorry
to ruin your theory.

Post by R. Steve Walz
You have a great deal of buried hatred you're not dealing with, and
which has crippled your creativity, autonomy, and sense of yourself
all your life. It is a classic women's gambit, to knuckle under and
ever so secretly hate. It cripples you as a person.

You sound like you're quoting out of a college psychology textbook,
Steve. Why not talk like a real person? My creativity, autonomy, and
sense of self is just fine, thanks. The only buried hatred I have is
for my job and I'm stuck with that. :-)

Linda

[dragonlady]

Post by LindaY
The only buried hatred I have is
for my job and I'm stuck with that. :-)

Doesn't sound very deeply buried. :-)

[R. Steve Walz]

Post by LindaY

Post by R. Steve Walz
You're lying. People do this to take the side of their abuser so that
they don't feel as abused for having agreed with their abuse. But the
problem is that it's a lie to the Self. In psychology the dynamic is
called cognitive dissonance, and examples are the Stockholm Syndrome
and learned helplessness in spousal abuse.

[eyes roll] Oh, good grief. The only punishment I ever resented was the
time my dad yelled at me in front of my girlfriend. I don't resent
anything else.

----------------
Lies and defensive reaction.

Post by LindaY
You sound as if you are a person who cannot believe that
anyone ever got along with their parents.

-----------------
I did, I know a few others who did. I can tell you didn't from having
watched damaged goods like you GET damaged.



*> I am very sorry if your parents treated you badly as a child;
-------------------
They didn't, and you're an ineffective liar.

Post by LindaY
my grandfather did this to my dad
and I did resent HIM for it. But I was not abused by my parents. Sorry
to ruin your theory.

-----------------------
Abused people seldom CALL the way they were treated "abuse", and that
is part and parcel of their abused state. It's called cognitive
dissonance.

Post by LindaY

Post by R. Steve Walz
You have a great deal of buried hatred you're not dealing with, and
which has crippled your creativity, autonomy, and sense of yourself
all your life. It is a classic women's gambit, to knuckle under and
ever so secretly hate. It cripples you as a person.

You sound like you're quoting out of a college psychology textbook,
Steve. Why not talk like a real person? My creativity, autonomy, and
sense of self is just fine, thanks. The only buried hatred I have is
for my job and I'm stuck with that. :-)
Linda

-------------------------------
You aren't used to being told why you do what you do, are you?

You just coughed up a classic anti-scientific position, the kind that
only comes of being terrified by the potential of others to understand
why you are what you are.
Steve

[BTR1701]

Post by R. Steve Walz

Post by LindaY
my grandfather did this to my dad
and I did resent HIM for it. But I was not abused by my parents. Sorry
to ruin your theory.

-----------------------
Abused people seldom CALL the way they were treated "abuse", and that
is part and parcel of their abused state. It's called cognitive
dissonance.

Actually, that's not what cognitive dissonance is at all. You're just
throwing out a bunch of fancy words you heard once and hoping that no
one who actually knows what they mean is around to call you on your
bullshit.

Then again, you're an idiot, so why am I surprised?

[trotsky]

Post by BTR1701

Post by R. Steve Walz

Post by LindaY
my grandfather did this to my dad
and I did resent HIM for it. But I was not abused by my parents. Sorry
to ruin your theory.

-----------------------
Abused people seldom CALL the way they were treated "abuse", and that
is part and parcel of their abused state. It's called cognitive
dissonance.

Actually, that's not what cognitive dissonance is at all. You're just
throwing out a bunch of fancy words you heard once and hoping that no
one who actually knows what they mean is around to call you on your
bullshit.
Then again, you're an idiot, so why am I surprised?

Just out of curiosity, how is calling someone "an idiot" any more
credible than commenting on your right to sleep with gay men? Wouldn't
me calling you a hypocritical piece of dog poop the most credible of all?

[R. Steve Walz]

Post by BTR1701

Post by R. Steve Walz

Post by LindaY
my grandfather did this to my dad
and I did resent HIM for it. But I was not abused by my parents. Sorry
to ruin your theory.

-----------------------
Abused people seldom CALL the way they were treated "abuse", and that
is part and parcel of their abused state. It's called cognitive
dissonance.

Actually, that's not what cognitive dissonance is at all.

---------------------
Now you're trying to lie about and mischaracterize psychological
knowledge for a century. I was tested on it in class six ways from
sunday, you're nothing but a lying ass.

Post by BTR1701
You're just
throwing out a bunch of fancy words you heard once and hoping that no
one who actually knows what they mean is around to call you on your
bullshit.

-----------------------
You just described yourself, except I used the "fancy words" and you
didn't understand them.

Post by BTR1701
Then again, you're an idiot, so why am I surprised?

-----------------------
Obviously someone failed to tell you that name-calling without
logical rationale only proves that you just lost the argument.
Steve

[Captain Infinity]

Post by R. Steve Walz
Obviously someone failed to tell you that name-calling without
logical rationale only proves that you just lost the argument.

Oops, I lost the argument. You're a moron.


**
Captain Infinity

[A.]

Post by LindaY

Post by R. Steve Walz
You're lying. People do this to take the side of their abuser so that
they don't feel as abused for having agreed with their abuse. But the
problem is that it's a lie to the Self. In psychology the dynamic is
called cognitive dissonance, and examples are the Stockholm Syndrome
and learned helplessness in spousal abuse.

[eyes roll] Oh, good grief. The only punishment I ever resented was the
time my dad yelled at me in front of my girlfriend. I don't resent
anything else.

Good for you. My fundamentalist parents weren't able to stop with
yelling at me in front of friends. Of course, neither were their
parents -
and my dad has scars from being whipped with baling wire and
barbed wire. Me - it was just belts, switches, coathangers and -
finally - with the advent of civilized teachings in our church - pieces
of wood shaped sort of like ping pong paddles. All of it was inflicted
on naked skin, being stripped half naked in front of friends was always
the worst part. The first time, I was 9 months old - and now, my
parents
(who recorded the happy incident proudly in my baby book - because
it worked, they said, to "train" me) are appalled and puzzled as to
why they spanked me so early (that was actually a hand on butt
kind of spanking - but later, those were repealed by the church
authorities
during Sunday School, because the child "would come to associate pain
with the loving hand of the parent's discipline" - so it was back to
switches and belts (as my dad had said all along).

Unfortunately, the things they "spanked" me for varied from falling
down and skinning my knee to wetting the bed (at age 3 - and THAT
was hard to comprehend exactly how to comply) to crying when
another parent yelled at me because his daughter wanted to win at
hopscotch and somehow I had caused her to lose. Oh, and talking
back, looking angry, looking hurt, asking for a specific kind of
cereal,
not eating all of my dinner, refusing to read TV Guide fast enough to
suit my dad who knew I could read faster than him - and so on.

All of it sanctioned by their church, their religion - and most of it,
to this day, by their own view (as stated) that they were keeping me
out of hell.

Nice. Real smooth. Fortunately I have overcome my depression and
anger enough to make a living and pay taxes (I actually pay slightly
more than the average citizen living in my state - yay for me, I'm not
costing the rest of you that much money due to the state of my mental
health). I have trouble trusting people, I have no respect for
religious
brainwashing, mention of "hell" to small children (even my grandmother
said that was inappropriate - that children were to be introduced to
such
notions at a much later age - and my grandmother believed my parents
spanked too much - she was a fundie, too).

Sad part is, I find it difficult to hate anyone - never did. It didn't
have to
be beaten out of me (my parents said being angry was the same thing
as hating - but they were wrong). I wasn't expressing hatred at my dad
when I was reading TV Guide - I got sidetracked by reading all the
descriptions.

My mom said the other day that the only polite "kids" in the family
were
me and my two daughters (never spanked) and she asked me how I
managed to get them to learn to say please and thank you without
hitting them or stuff like that. I said I simply said those things
myself
and they picked it up, early. She said it was amazing how well my
daughters can express themselves, compared to their cousins and my
cousins - everyone else in the family seems a bit weird to her. I
wonder
why.

Anyway I'm glad your childhood worked out for you. My *not* spanking
my own kids was a great idea, they're way happier and healthier than
anyone in my generation in our family.


You sound as if you are a person who cannot believe that

Post by LindaY
anyone ever got along with their parents. I am very sorry if your
parents treated you badly as a child; my grandfather did this to my dad
and I did resent HIM for it. But I was not abused by my parents. Sorry
to ruin your theory.

Abuse is complex - but no one should advocate physical punishment
of a child without understanding to WHOM the advice is addressed.

Books aimed at religious nutcases and advocating further techniques
of mind control would never be purchased and read by normal parents.

You're lucky your parents broke the cycle - as any thinking person
would do, and that your parents didn't take the spare the rod
philosophy
seriously.

Post by LindaY

Post by R. Steve Walz
You have a great deal of buried hatred you're not dealing with, and
which has crippled your creativity, autonomy, and sense of yourself
all your life. It is a classic women's gambit, to knuckle under and
ever so secretly hate. It cripples you as a person.

You sound like you're quoting out of a college psychology textbook,
Steve. Why not talk like a real person? My creativity, autonomy, and
sense of self is just fine, thanks. The only buried hatred I have is
for my job and I'm stuck with that. :-)
Linda

People are incredibly resilient. But in the branch of my family where
the physical and religious abuse were most pronounced, the kids
have not fared as well as in the more loving, less fanatical branch.

I love my job - I saw university as my only chance for escape and I
chose a field that delights me, still. I'm lucky. But I can't believe
in the god my parents insisted existed and provided inspiration and
oversight for both the babykilling at Jericho and generations of abuse
in my own family.

A.

[Pagans for Democracy]

Post by A.
Good for you. My fundamentalist parents weren't able to stop with
yelling at me in front of friends.

More Christian Ritual Abuse.
Demiurge worship at its finest!

Post by A.
Of course, neither were their
parents -
and my dad has scars from being whipped with baling wire and
barbed wire. Me - it was just belts, switches, coathangers and -
finally - with the advent of civilized teachings in our church - pieces
of wood shaped sort of like ping pong paddles. All of it was inflicted
on naked skin, being stripped half naked in front of friends was always
the worst part. The first time, I was 9 months old - and now, my

Rest of message deleted.
"Parents" such as that are traitors to the human race and
deserve death. If they happen to be fundamentalists,
death by crucifixion.

P*G*P

[Stephen Rush]

Post by Pagans for Democracy

Post by A.
Good for you. My fundamentalist parents weren't able to stop with
yelling at me in front of friends.

More Christian Ritual Abuse.
Demiurge worship at its finest!

Post by A.
Of course, neither were their
parents -
and my dad has scars from being whipped with baling wire and
barbed wire. Me - it was just belts, switches, coathangers and -
finally - with the advent of civilized teachings in our church - pieces
of wood shaped sort of like ping pong paddles. All of it was inflicted
on naked skin, being stripped half naked in front of friends was always
the worst part. The first time, I was 9 months old - and now, my

Rest of message deleted.
"Parents" such as that are traitors to the human race and
deserve death. If they happen to be fundamentalists,
death by crucifixion.

... with rope instead of spikes, and with a sedulum. It takes longer that
way.

[ncrist]

That really works, too! Expressing fear DOES make the child think
twice. At least it worked for my child (crossing the street, using
knives, running with a stick in his mouth - things like that)

N

Post by R. Steve Walz

Post by j***@yahoo.com

Post by BTR1701

Post by spank the parents
The former Blair from Facts of Life, now a fundamentalist Christian,
has some strange ideas about the facts of life herself.
http://www.stoptherod.net/creativecorrection.html
In this bizaare and abuse-filled book, former actress Lisa Whelchel
calls children these cruel names: ankle-biter, pests, "a handful",
raucous, haphazard, messy, pesky, hyenas, arrogant, and "filled with
schemes to do wrong.

And she's absolutely right. That's exactly what they are.

Post by spank the parents
p.25 "I grew up in the South, where I was taught to reply, 'Yes, sir''
or 'Yes, ma'am'' when following instruction."

Yeah, heaven forbid more kids do that. How terrible it would be for some
of the little shits to have some actual manners.

Post by spank the parents
p.27 "Disobedience comes in many forms, including whining."

What's wrong with this statement? It's true.

I haven't read Lisa Whelchel's book, but I visited the stoptherod web
page. In some instances, I thought her disciplinary techniques were
rather harsh, but unless she's hitting her kids hard enough to leave
marks, I wouldn't consider her methods abusive.

-----------------------
But that's only because you're brainwashed and emotionally disturbed.

Post by j***@yahoo.com
And yes, I agree that kids should be taught good manners and that they
should behave themselves. They also need to learn how to get along
with others and how to delay gratification of needs/wants. Overall, I
think today's kids receive too little discipline rather than too much
discipline. Personally, I'm not a fan of spanking. But if your toddler
keeps running in the street no matter how many times you say no or try
to distract him or put him in time-out, then I say a few taps on the
bottom are preferable to letting the kid get hit by a car.

-----------------------------------
That example doesn't even work! It is an old saw, but research shows
that assaulting a child who endangers himself actually makes him fixate
on trying it again when you're not around, and that expressing fear
works MUCh better at dissuading a child from endangering themselevs.
Everyone who drags out this erreoneous notion really secretly LOVES
hitting children to get paid back for when THEY were hit as a child
in order to reinforce their sense of adult entitlement over and
against those who abused THEM in childhood. It is evidence of an
emotional sickness.
If you truly want a toddler to steer clear of the street, cry and
show them how terrified it made you. THAT makes the kind of impression
on the child that you want to make, and with none of the fixated
resentment that results from anger and hitting.
Steve

[BTR1701]

Post by j***@yahoo.com

Post by BTR1701

Post by spank the parents
The former Blair from Facts of Life, now a fundamentalist Christian,
has some strange ideas about the facts of life herself.
http://www.stoptherod.net/creativecorrection.html
In this bizaare and abuse-filled book, former actress Lisa Whelchel
calls children these cruel names: ankle-biter, pests, "a handful",
raucous, haphazard, messy, pesky, hyenas, arrogant, and "filled with
schemes to do wrong.

And she's absolutely right. That's exactly what they are.

Post by spank the parents
p.25 "I grew up in the South, where I was taught to reply, 'Yes, sir''
or 'Yes, ma'am'' when following instruction."

Yeah, heaven forbid more kids do that. How terrible it would be for some
of the little shits to have some actual manners.

Post by spank the parents
p.27 "Disobedience comes in many forms, including whining."

What's wrong with this statement? It's true.

I haven't read Lisa Whelchel's book, but I visited the stoptherod web
page. In some instances, I thought her disciplinary techniques were
rather harsh, but unless she's hitting her kids hard enough to leave
marks, I wouldn't consider her methods abusive. To put it another way,
I don't see anything here that would warrant a visit from social
services. If people want to advocate for abused children who cannot
speak up for themselves, that's great. I'm all for it. But these folks
should focus on children who truly are victims of abuse and who really
need help, not kids whose parents happen to be strict or old-fashioned.
And yes, I agree that kids should be taught good manners and that they
should behave themselves. They also need to learn how to get along
with others and how to delay gratification of needs/wants. Overall, I
think today's kids receive too little discipline rather than too much
discipline.

I spent most of the day on a plane sitting in front of some brat who
wouldn't stay still for 10 seconds and thought the height of excitement
was to constantly slam his food tray up and down into the back of my
seat (when he wasn't kicking it, that is).

The mother, of course, was completely oblivious, even after I physically
turned around and glared several times. Hell, she probably thought the
little bastard's behavior was "cute" or something. Finally I'd had
enough and stood up, leaned over the seat right in the kid's face and
said in a loud and firm voice, "Stop that right now." And it worked. For
the first time in his life, someone finally told the kid no. He was
probably so stunned, he didn't know how to react.

Of course, that finally roused the mother out of her stupor but rather
than be mortified and embarrassed by her issue's behavior, as any
right-thinking person would have been, she had the gall to chastise me
for speaking to her child without her permission.

I just laughed at her and said, "Lady, if you'd actually parent your
kid, then total strangers wouldn't have to." That pretty much shut her
up for good.

[trotsky]

Post by BTR1701
I spent most of the day on a plane sitting in front of some brat who
wouldn't stay still for 10 seconds and thought the height of excitement
was to constantly slam his food tray up and down into the back of my
seat (when he wasn't kicking it, that is).
The mother, of course, was completely oblivious, even after I physically
turned around and glared several times. Hell, she probably thought the
little bastard's behavior was "cute" or something. Finally I'd had
enough and stood up, leaned over the seat right in the kid's face and
said in a loud and firm voice, "Stop that right now." And it worked. For
the first time in his life, someone finally told the kid no. He was
probably so stunned, he didn't know how to react.
Of course, that finally roused the mother out of her stupor but rather
than be mortified and embarrassed by her issue's behavior, as any
right-thinking person would have been, she had the gall to chastise me
for speaking to her child without her permission.
I just laughed at her and said, "Lady, if you'd actually parent your
kid, then total strangers wouldn't have to." That pretty much shut her
up for good.

Talking back to women and children? You are very brave!

[R. Steve Walz]

Post by BTR1701
Yeah, heaven forbid more kids do that. How terrible it would be for some
of the little shits to have some actual manners.

----------------------
You're just an abusive Fundy whore.

We have found it is impossible to impose such coercion on adult
humans. We will also find this impossible with children because
it disrespects their right to their chosen form of expression
and freedom of speech.

Post by BTR1701

Post by spank the parents
p.27 "Disobedience comes in many forms, including whining."

What's wrong with this statement? It's true.

----------------------
Again it dishonors children's right to their opinion and speech.
If you don't respect them, then they will never respect you!
Steve

[BTR1701]

Post by R. Steve Walz

Post by BTR1701
Yeah, heaven forbid more kids do that. How terrible it would be for some
of the little shits to have some actual manners.

----------------------
You're just an abusive Fundy whore.
We have found it is impossible to impose such coercion on adult
humans. We will also find this impossible with children because
it disrespects their right to their chosen form of expression
and freedom of speech.

Post by BTR1701

Post by spank the parents
p.27 "Disobedience comes in many forms, including whining."

What's wrong with this statement? It's true.

----------------------
Again it dishonors children's right to their opinion and speech.
If you don't respect them, then they will never respect you!
Steve

I was going to ask you to show any evidence you have that I'm a "Fundy",
considering I've been openly atheist for several decades now... then I
realized you're just an idiot, so why bother?

[R. Steve Walz]

Post by BTR1701

Post by R. Steve Walz

Post by BTR1701
Yeah, heaven forbid more kids do that. How terrible it would be for some
of the little shits to have some actual manners.

----------------------
You're just an abusive Fundy whore.
We have found it is impossible to impose such coercion on adult
humans. We will also find this impossible with children because
it disrespects their right to their chosen form of expression
and freedom of speech.

Post by BTR1701

Post by spank the parents
p.27 "Disobedience comes in many forms, including whining."

What's wrong with this statement? It's true.

----------------------
Again it dishonors children's right to their opinion and speech.
If you don't respect them, then they will never respect you!
Steve

I was going to ask you to show any evidence you have that I'm a "Fundy",
considering I've been openly atheist for several decades now... then I
realized you're just an idiot, so why bother?

-------------------
Saying you're an atheist if you say the same shit the Fundies say
is unconvincing.
Steve

[BTR1701]

Post by R. Steve Walz

Post by BTR1701

Post by R. Steve Walz

Post by BTR1701
Yeah, heaven forbid more kids do that. How terrible it would be for some
of the little shits to have some actual manners.

----------------------
You're just an abusive Fundy whore.
We have found it is impossible to impose such coercion on adult
humans. We will also find this impossible with children because
it disrespects their right to their chosen form of expression
and freedom of speech.

Post by BTR1701

Post by spank the parents
p.27 "Disobedience comes in many forms, including whining."

What's wrong with this statement? It's true.

----------------------
Again it dishonors children's right to their opinion and speech.
If you don't respect them, then they will never respect you!
Steve

I was going to ask you to show any evidence you have that I'm a "Fundy",
considering I've been openly atheist for several decades now... then I
realized you're just an idiot, so why bother?

-------------------
Saying you're an atheist if you say the same shit the Fundies say
is unconvincing.

Why would I care about convincing an idiot of anything?

[R. Steve Walz]

Post by BTR1701

Post by R. Steve Walz

Post by BTR1701

Post by R. Steve Walz

Post by BTR1701
Yeah, heaven forbid more kids do that. How terrible it would be for some
of the little shits to have some actual manners.

----------------------
You're just an abusive Fundy whore.
We have found it is impossible to impose such coercion on adult
humans. We will also find this impossible with children because
it disrespects their right to their chosen form of expression
and freedom of speech.

Post by BTR1701

Post by spank the parents
p.27 "Disobedience comes in many forms, including whining."

What's wrong with this statement? It's true.

----------------------
Again it dishonors children's right to their opinion and speech.
If you don't respect them, then they will never respect you!
Steve

I was going to ask you to show any evidence you have that I'm a "Fundy",
considering I've been openly atheist for several decades now... then I
realized you're just an idiot, so why bother?

-------------------
Saying you're an atheist if you say the same shit the Fundies say
is unconvincing.

Why would I care about convincing an idiot of anything?

---------------
You got nuthin'.
Steve

[BTR1701]

Post by R. Steve Walz

Post by BTR1701

Post by R. Steve Walz

Post by BTR1701

Post by R. Steve Walz

Post by BTR1701
Yeah, heaven forbid more kids do that. How terrible it would be for
some
of the little shits to have some actual manners.

----------------------
You're just an abusive Fundy whore.
We have found it is impossible to impose such coercion on adult
humans. We will also find this impossible with children because
it disrespects their right to their chosen form of expression
and freedom of speech.

Post by BTR1701

Post by spank the parents
p.27 "Disobedience comes in many forms, including whining."

What's wrong with this statement? It's true.

----------------------
Again it dishonors children's right to their opinion and speech.
If you don't respect them, then they will never respect you!
Steve

I was going to ask you to show any evidence you have that I'm a "Fundy",
considering I've been openly atheist for several decades now... then I
realized you're just an idiot, so why bother?

-------------------
Saying you're an atheist if you say the same shit the Fundies say
is unconvincing.

Why would I care about convincing an idiot of anything?

---------------
You got nuthin'.

And yet still more than you got.

[trotsky]

Post by BTR1701

Post by R. Steve Walz

Post by BTR1701
Yeah, heaven forbid more kids do that. How terrible it would be for some
of the little shits to have some actual manners.

----------------------
You're just an abusive Fundy whore.
We have found it is impossible to impose such coercion on adult
humans. We will also find this impossible with children because
it disrespects their right to their chosen form of expression
and freedom of speech.

Post by BTR1701

Post by spank the parents
p.27 "Disobedience comes in many forms, including whining."

What's wrong with this statement? It's true.

----------------------
Again it dishonors children's right to their opinion and speech.
If you don't respect them, then they will never respect you!
Steve

I was going to ask you to show any evidence you have that I'm a "Fundy",
considering I've been openly atheist for several decades now...

You're an anonyshit--you don't have an identity. Sorry.

[Captain Jack Samson]

.

Lover boy.

.

It's just not common knowledge, I guess.

When i masturbate/ play with my dick, i get this really great feeling
my legs shake, i 'squirt' and i go mad? well not mad but its
great..so thats an orgasm right?..so when i have sex, i get a really
good feeling, but my legs dont shake i dont go mad,i do 'squirt', its
not the same feeling, but its still good, really good, so whats this
which ones what?

Note to self: Do not respond.

You're an anonyshit--you don't have an identity.

You low-cal, two-wheeled extorter. You spayed, horselike zooplankton.
You lolling, indigent fungus.

Sorry.

Sorry for the spill.

[trotsky]

Chubby professional-woman with ripe tulip and plump hood ornaments
wants to meet tiny love stick for ardent anal mutilation. Mail me at

[Mike H]

Post by R. Steve Walz
Again it dishonors children's right to their opinion and speech.
If you don't respect them, then they will never respect you!
Steve

Steve, please, don't reproduce... Or if you do, put em up for adoption.

[R. Steve Walz]

Post by Mike H

Post by R. Steve Walz
Again it dishonors children's right to their opinion and speech.
If you don't respect them, then they will never respect you!
Steve

Steve, please, don't reproduce... Or if you do, put em up for adoption.

--------------
Waaay too late, two professionals who even vote like I do, off
into the world in their 30's!
Steve

[Geek the Girl]

"p.18 After Whelchel¹s son says his half-naked father looks like he¹s 'about
to die on the cross like Jesus', she claims: 'Our children closely identify
us with God.'²

BWAHAHAHAHA!

[Michael O'Connor]

Post by Geek the Girl
"p.18 After Whelchel¹s son says his half-naked father looks like he¹s 'about
to die on the cross like Jesus', she claims: 'Our children closely identify
us with God.'²
BWAHAHAHAHA!

I was in a popular Detroit restaurant one day (1996 or 97) and
encountered Lisa Welchel and her husband and family dining there; they
were at the table next to me and I was facing her. I knew who she was
and ignored her by reading the newspaper while I ate, but did notice
that she had aged well from the time she was on the TV show.

[Captain Infinity]

Post by Michael O'Connor
I was in a popular Detroit restaurant one day (1996 or 97) and
encountered Lisa Welchel and her husband and family dining there; they
were at the table next to me and I was facing her. I knew who she was
and ignored her by reading the newspaper while I ate

That will teach her! Good work!


**
Captain Infinity

[BTR1701]

Post by Michael O'Connor

Post by Geek the Girl
"p.18 After Whelchel¹s son says his half-naked father looks like he¹s 'about
to die on the cross like Jesus', she claims: 'Our children closely identify
us with God.'²
BWAHAHAHAHA!

I was in a popular Detroit restaurant one day (1996 or 97) and
encountered Lisa Welchel and her husband and family dining there; they
were at the table next to me and I was facing her. I knew who she was
and ignored her by reading the newspaper while I ate

Being ignored by some random guy in a restaurant... I bet that really
stung.

[LaTreen Washington]

Post by spank the parents
The former Blair from Facts of Life, now a fundamentalist Christian,
has some strange ideas about the facts of life herself.
p.26 "King Solomon, who was the wisest man who ever lived." (What
happened to Jesus?)

King Solomon was willing to cut a baby in half.

Post by spank the parents
p.75 Whelchel approves of filling a boy's room with manure!

With all this horseshit there must be a pony here somewhere!

Have you seen Tootie's baby?

[R. Steve Walz]

Post by LaTreen Washington

Post by spank the parents
The former Blair from Facts of Life, now a fundamentalist Christian,
has some strange ideas about the facts of life herself.
p.26 "King Solomon, who was the wisest man who ever lived." (What
happened to Jesus?)

King Solomon was willing to cut a baby in half.

--------------------------
No. He just wanted the two women to believe he would, so that the
real mother would reveal her love by resigning her claim to the
child, and that *IS* how he then knew her.
Steve

[Mike H]

Post by LaTreen Washington

Post by spank the parents
p.26 "King Solomon, who was the wisest man who ever lived." (What
happened to Jesus?)

King Solomon was willing to cut a baby in half.

Shows how much you know. In that time, no Hebrew Mother would choose to
let her child be killed in that manner. It was a test and the mother
passed.

[Ubiquitous]

Post by spank the parents
The former Blair from Facts of Life, now a fundamentalist Christian,
has some strange ideas about the facts of life herself.
http://www.stoptherod.net/creativecorrection.html
In this bizaare and abuse-filled book, former actress Lisa Whelchel
calls children these cruel names: ankle-biter, pests, “a handful”,
raucous, haphazard, messy, pesky, hyenas, arrogant, and “filled with
schemes to do wrong.” Yet on p.193 the author says name-calling isn’t
allowed in her house!
Denigration of children is coupled with bribes of money and sweets,
and a menu of frequent and various punishments. And although hitting
is supposedly “not allowed” in the author’s house (p.193), and she
claims she “isn’t violent” (p.170), she frequently spanks her 3
children. Her prescription for hitting is on p.183-185. Other,
“creative” boot-camp style tortures are recommended on p.146-161.
Apparently all these “Creative Corrections” don’t even work, since on
p.274 Whelchel admits “My kids still act up and disobey” and spanking
“didn’t work” on her son Tucker (p.171) Whelchel says her grandmother
asked her not to spank (p.157). This book is recommended by Focus on
the Family.
p.xiv Whelchel’s son, “Tucker, like all of us…comes by his sin
naturally. In fact, the roots of misbehavior can be traced all the way
back to Adam.” (This is said after describing Tucker being noisy and
climbing rails. Tucker has ADHD.)
p.5 Whelchel talks to a fellow actress and “was tempted to slap her
with a wet wipe.”
p.18 After Whelchel’s son says his half-naked father looks like he’s
“about to die on the cross like Jesus”, she claims: “Our children
closely identify us with God.”
p.22 “All children are born with foolishness bound up in their
hearts.” “When we allow our children to determine the outcome of a
situation, even subtly, it weakens their trust in us.”
p.25 “I grew up in the South, where I was taught to reply, ‘Yes, sir’
or ‘Yes, ma’am’ when following instruction.”
p.26 “King Solomon, who was the wisest man who ever lived.” (What
happened to Jesus?)
p.27 “Disobedience comes in many forms, including whining.”
p.28 “Teaching our children to obey us and our words is primarily to
teach them to obey God and His Word.” “Because the rules I’m
instilling are God’s, I no longer have to respond with ‘Because I’m
the mom. That’s why!’ I can calmly tell my kids, ‘Honey, I didn’t make
up these rules, God did.”
p.58 “discipline the flesh” p.59 “correcting the flesh” p.62 “bodily
discipline”
p.75 Whelchel approves of filling a boy’s room with manure!
p.79 “God…loves us too much to let us go unpunished.”
p.99 “Stealing a cookie from the jar when Mom isn’t looking is easily
punishable with a slap on the hand.”
p.101 “Whatever we deny our children now is for their good later.”
and much more.....

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[Agent Smith]

Other, creative boot-camp style tortures are recommended on p.146-161.

Please list them.