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Primula X
2006-05-27 14:28:11 UTC
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Whining and dining Children behaving badly can sour restaurant visit

The Arizona Republic
May. 27, 2006 12:00 AM

Bring up the topic of children's behavior in restaurants and the
reaction is almost always the same.

"We were eating in this nice, quiet seafood restaurant when these two
kids . . . "

You can fill in the rest because you've likely experienced a similar
situation. It seems everyone has a story, and an opinion, about
children's misbehavior in restaurants, which likely holds a spot in the
nation's list of top 10 pet peeves.

As busy families eat out more, the problem is only going to become more
prevalent.

"It's chaos, complete chaos" in family dining spots, said Katie Hamati,
who is in the restaurant business and runs Table Graces, which teaches
mealtime manners to youngsters. "With fast-food places, or where they
give crayons to kids to keep them busy, we're not taking the time to
teach our children how to be well-behaved."

No one tracks childish misbehavior in restaurants, save for Santa Claus,
though more families are eating out than ever before. For the past three
years, Arizona is second in the nation in restaurant growth, and one of
the hottest areas is family dining, said Steve Chucri of the Arizona
Restaurant and Hospitality Association.

With both parents working out of the home, they have little time to
prepare meals. They increasingly depend on restaurants to provide
quality family time, Chucri said. For proof, arrive at any family-
friendly restaurant (Outback Steakhouse, Chili's, Applebee's) at 6 p.m.,
where you likely will wait up to 45 minutes for a table.

Misbehavior, Chucri said, is not a major issue in the restaurant
industry. However, it does resonate among restaurant customers.

"Everybody has a story," he said. "So do I. But when people get those
looks because of the way their kids are acting, nine times out of 10
they take corrective action and the issue is resolved."

Parents' responsibility

Not so fast, said Margaret Washington of Phoenix. Washington recently
attended a bar mitzvah and was appalled when a food fight erupted among
teens. Her shock had more to do with parental reaction than the candy
being hurled back and forth. Grown-ups, she said, did nothing.

"Nobody wants to be the bad guy, and we turn a blind eye," she said.
"But wake up, people. You have a responsibility as a parent and as an
adult to remind your children the differences between right and wrong
and how to respect the people who surround you in a public venue."

Hamati, agreed, saying that if you want to dish up blame, look to the
parents. A child sees Mom talking on the cellphone or Dad reading a
newspaper while at the table. The child notices if her parents talk with
food in their mouths, or wolf down their food because Junior's soccer
game starts in 30 minutes.

Children's natural impatience can compound the problem. As boredom sets
in over an hourlong meal, they may play with forks and spoons, or peer
over the booth at the couple sitting behind them, and parents will
remain silent.

"Moms and dads will pick their battles, and after a long day at work,
they may not be in the mood to correct their children," Hamati said. "Or
if the kids are tired and overextended, they probably shouldn't be there
in the first place."

A game plan

Families with young children who arrive at Ko'Sin, a modestly upscale
restaurant inside Sheraton Wild Horse Pass & Spa in Chandler, have no
idea their experience will follow a carefully crafted recipe honed over
time.

They are escorted to the families-only dining room, which comforts Mom
and Dad (they are among other parents) as well as those adult patrons
who dine in the other room, intent on a quiet evening.

When the family is seated, servers place a tray of fruit on the table,
each piece chosen for sweetness and color likely to appeal to
youngsters. As parents enjoy appetizers, children work on the main
course. When the parents' main course arrives, children are on dessert.
As soon as the kids' plates are cleared, they may pick a small toy from
the basket, such as a small stuffed bear or a finger puppet. Or they may
play with the Etch-a-Sketch they received when they sat down.

Even though dishes do not arrive simultaneously, everyone is happy, said
Damon Bolling, who oversees Ko'Sin.

"As long as the children are busy, there are few problems and everyone
has a positive experience," Bolling said.

Other restaurants are more direct in targeting children. Pizza places
featuring video games encourage kids to get out of their seats and are
not the places to teach your children about proper dining behavior, said
Rita Taylor-Teplitsky, a Scottsdale etiquette consultant who conducts
dozens of dining classes for children each year.

The most important thing to teach youngsters, she said, is patience.
While some restaurants ply children with coloring books and puzzles,
such practices only further encourage shorter attention spans, Taylor-
Teplitsky said. Same goes with allowing children to bring handheld video
games or personal music devices.

Meals, she said, should revolve around conversation.

"Why bring children to a restaurant if they're going to sit there
playing games or doing a crossword puzzle?" Taylor-Teplitsky said.
"Meals are the perfect time to talk to your children."

Restaurant reaction

Since this is not the perfect, Miss Manners-controlled world, kids
fidget. And talk loudly. And blow bubbles in their milk. And spend 10
minutes looking for whatever it is they dropped under the table.

Richard Fiero has seen it happen. The owner of Barrio Café in Phoenix
will try to seat children away from the general populace, but that's not
always possible in his cozy restaurant. So when children act up, it can
disrupt many of his customers.

If the withering glares from other guests don't persuade the parents to
act, Fiero will approach the table and ask if there is anything he can
do to help.

"I will not tell someone how to parent a child," he said. "That's not my
job. But if they want to move to another table, or get the food to go,
or whatever, I want to make everyone happy. It can be a real touchy
situation."

Fiero will intervene if he perceives a dangerous situation. Parents are
immediately asked to corral children who block the aisles, whether in or
out of their chairs. Servers balancing plates filled with hot food have
enough to worry about without having to dodge children, Fiero said.

"If there is a danger factor, it's up to me to mitigate that," he said.
"I'm concerned about a child's welfare above anything else."

The image of out-of-control children is tempered by a young man who
opened a book and read quietly during his family's 90-minute wait for a
table at Barrio. An impressed Fiero rewarded the boy with dessert, an
act that has become policy.

"If you punish for bad behavior, you should reward for good behavior,"
Fiero said. "If by giving away dessert can get kids to read while
waiting, it's well worth it."

Last resort: Just leave

There are times when nothing works. Children may be tired, cranky and
simply upset that Dad wanted to eat at Chez Sit Still rather than Mr.
Pizza's Jump 'N' Scream.

Thank goodness for the invention of the door.

Kristin Jarnagin has been wedged between that rock (crying child) and
hard place (disgruntled patrons). While waiting for food, she had to ask
servers to make it to go, as her 2-year-old daughter was in no mood to
dine.

Jarnagin does her best to be considerate of other diners, but if she's
at a family restaurant (as she often is), she expects diners to be
considerate of her daughter.

"If the restaurant offers coloring books and crayons at the front door,
regardless of the menu price, then children and parents should feel
confident that they'll avoid the glares of single diners," Jarnagin
said.

Bob Lynn knows children can be too loud or fidgety, but if they're at
his Chelsea's Kitchen in Phoenix, he would rather kids blow off steam in
the grassy area out front.

Lynn, founder and president of LGO Hospitality, which operates
Chelsea's, Postino Winecafe and La Grande Orange, said it's important
that restaurants appeal to kids as much as adults.

Chelsea's seems designed with families in mind. The C-shaped booths
encourage conversation, if not supervision. Servers deliver meals at a
fast pace, deterring impatience.

"We're not only geared to handle children, we see them as an important
part of our customer base," Lynn said.

There is no way to end children's misbehavior in restaurants any more
than there is to eliminate rude motorists or silence cellphones in
theaters.

But older, child-free diners can reduce their frustration with
reasonable expectations, Table Graces' Hamati said.

"If you go into a place where chairs and tables are bolted to the floor,
don't expect a nice, quiet meal," she said. "If there are candles and
white-linen tablecloths, I doubt there will be many, if any, children."

But there may be a guy talking loudly on a cellphone, since bad manners
are not limited to youngsters.
Peter Bruells
2006-05-27 14:58:59 UTC
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Whining and dining Children behaving badly can sour restaurant visit
The Arizona Republic
May. 27, 2006 12:00 AM
Bring up the topic of children's behavior in restaurants and the
reaction is almost always the same.
"We were eating in this nice, quiet seafood restaurant when these two
kids . . . "
You can fill in the rest because you've likely experienced a similar
situation. It seems everyone has a story, and an opinion, about
children's misbehavior in restaurants, which likely holds a spot in the
nation's list of top 10 pet peeves.
As busy families eat out more, the problem is only going to become more
prevalent.
"It's chaos, complete chaos" in family dining spots, said Katie Hamati,
who is in the restaurant business and runs Table Graces, which teaches
mealtime manners to youngsters. "With fast-food places, or where they
give crayons to kids to keep them busy, we're not taking the time to
teach our children how to be well-behaved."
No one tracks childish misbehavior in restaurants, save for Santa Claus,
though more families are eating out than ever before. For the past three
years, Arizona is second in the nation in restaurant growth, and one of
the hottest areas is family dining, said Steve Chucri of the Arizona
Restaurant and Hospitality Association.
With both parents working out of the home, they have little time to
prepare meals. They increasingly depend on restaurants to provide
quality family time, Chucri said. For proof, arrive at any family-
friendly restaurant (Outback Steakhouse, Chili's, Applebee's) at 6 p.m.,
where you likely will wait up to 45 minutes for a table.
Errr.... Unless all these families book tables in advance, couldn't
they use the 45 minutes to prepare a meal?
Veronique
2006-05-27 16:43:10 UTC
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Whining and dining Children behaving badly can sour restaurant visit
The Arizona Republic
May. 27, 2006 12:00 AM
Bring up the topic of children's behavior in restaurants and the
reaction is almost always the same.
"We were eating in this nice, quiet seafood restaurant when these two
kids . . . "
You can fill in the rest because you've likely experienced a similar
situation. It seems everyone has a story, and an opinion, about
children's misbehavior in restaurants, which likely holds a spot in the
nation's list of top 10 pet peeves.
As busy families eat out more, the problem is only going to become more
prevalent.
"It's chaos, complete chaos" in family dining spots, said Katie Hamati,
who is in the restaurant business and runs Table Graces, which teaches
mealtime manners to youngsters. "With fast-food places, or where they
give crayons to kids to keep them busy, we're not taking the time to
teach our children how to be well-behaved."
No one tracks childish misbehavior in restaurants, save for Santa Claus,
though more families are eating out than ever before. For the past three
years, Arizona is second in the nation in restaurant growth, and one of
the hottest areas is family dining, said Steve Chucri of the Arizona
Restaurant and Hospitality Association.
With both parents working out of the home, they have little time to
prepare meals. They increasingly depend on restaurants to provide
quality family time, Chucri said. For proof, arrive at any family-
friendly restaurant (Outback Steakhouse, Chili's, Applebee's) at 6 p.m.,
where you likely will wait up to 45 minutes for a table.
Errr.... Unless all these families book tables in advance, couldn't
they use the 45 minutes to prepare a meal?
//me wonders just how fed up the reporter was at hearing that hallowed
chant, "It's so haaaaaaaaaaaard!!!"//


V.
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Veronique Chez Sheep
Pete
2006-05-27 17:52:44 UTC
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//me wonders just how fed up the reporter was at hearing that hallowed
chant, "It's so haaaaaaaaaaaard!!!"//
/me thinks the reporter should be chopped to bits for writing that
breeder-apologist bullshit...Pete
--
Build a man a fire, he's warm for a night, set a man on fire, he's warm for life
Primula X
2006-05-27 18:40:12 UTC
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/me thinks the reporter should be chopped to bits for writing that
breeder-apologist bullshit...
Unfortunately this is AZ where breeders rule and moos get laws passed so
they can whip out their tits in public. It's surprising they even wrote
this article, and just wait...there will very likely be outraged letters
to the editor from parents wanting that reporter to lose his job. ;-)
Kent
2006-05-27 16:28:30 UTC
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Whining and dining Children behaving badly can sour restaurant visit
In other news, fire is hot...
Post by Primula X
"Everybody has a story," he said. "So do I. But when people get those
looks because of the way their kids are acting, nine times out of 10
they take corrective action and the issue is resolved."
An obvious misprint; the correct figure should be 9 times out of 10,000,000.
Post by Primula X
simply upset that Dad wanted to eat at Chez Sit Still rather than Mr.
Pizza's Jump 'N' Scream.
Ha, love these.
Post by Primula X
"We're not only geared to handle children, we see them as an important
part of our customer base," Lynn said.
That's good, since it won't be long before that's ALL you have for your
customer base.
Post by Primula X
But older, child-free diners can reduce their frustration with
Huzzah! They said child-FREE!



Kent
Primula X
2006-05-27 18:37:41 UTC
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"Everybody has a story," he said. "So do I. But when people get those
looks because of the way their kids are acting, nine times out of 10
they take corrective action and the issue is resolved."
An obvious misprint; the correct figure should be 9 times out of 10,000,000.
Really. I don't think I've ever seen a parent take "corrective action"
in all the times I've witnessed horrible behavior on their children's
parts. Mostly they glare at you for having the nerve to be disturbed by
their brats' out of control behavior.
Abbie F.
2006-05-27 21:30:26 UTC
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Post by Kent
Post by Primula X
"Everybody has a story," he said. "So do I. But when people get those
looks because of the way their kids are acting, nine times out of 10
they take corrective action and the issue is resolved."
An obvious misprint; the correct figure should be 9 times out of 10,000,000.
Really. I don't think I've ever seen a parent take "corrective action"
in all the times I've witnessed horrible behavior on their children's
parts. Mostly they glare at you for having the nerve to be disturbed by
their brats' out of control behavior.
I don't see why it should be such a "touchy situation" anyway. You
breed 'em, you control 'em. If not, then the manager has the right to
boot your lazy arses out. Where's the grey area there? Someone had
better keep the damned monsters quiet, or face the consequences of
losing all the quiet, high-tipping customers.
Michelle in WA state
2006-06-02 10:00:43 UTC
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Someone had
better keep the damned monsters quiet, or face the consequences of
losing all the quiet, high-tipping customers.
Bear in mind that the waitstaff aren't the ones making the management
decisions. Managers and owners aren't likely to care much about who tips.
In establishments that serve liquor, the best customers from a management
point of view are the ones who spend the most money on booze*. I don't
know how that breaks down between parents and childfree customers, though I
do know if I had to endure their hellspawn it'd undoubtedly make a drinker
outta ME.

-- Michelle

* Or so I've been told. Supposedly that's where they actually make their
money.

Please, Don't Breed or Buy While Shelter Pets Die.
Citizen Ted
2006-05-27 17:23:36 UTC
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Post by Primula X
If the withering glares from other guests don't persuade the parents to
act, Fiero will approach the table and ask if there is anything he can
do to help.
"I will not tell someone how to parent a child," he said. "That's not my
job. But if they want to move to another table, or get the food to go,
or whatever, I want to make everyone happy. It can be a real touchy
situation."
<followed by>
Post by Primula X
The image of out-of-control children is tempered by a young man who
opened a book and read quietly during his family's 90-minute wait for a
table at Barrio. An impressed Fiero rewarded the boy with dessert, an
act that has become policy.
"If you punish for bad behavior, you should reward for good behavior,"
Fiero said. "If by giving away dessert can get kids to read while
waiting, it's well worth it."
So, Fiero won't correct ("punish") the child, and the pahrunts
obviously won't correct the child. So there is no punishment for bad
behavior, but there *is* a reward for good behavior. And the reward is
predicated as a balance between bad and good.

Can anyone else see the cycle that feeds upon itself? And the
inevitable outcome?

I knew you could.

- TR
Pete
2006-05-27 17:55:10 UTC
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Can anyone else see the cycle that feeds upon itself? And the
inevitable outcome?
I knew you could.
If breeders and their vermin were confronted more often for such shit,
it might go a long way to stop it. But nobody wants to step up.
<spit>...Pete, not meaning Ted or anyone specific, just general disgust
at how often the CF will sit in seething silence rather than telling
people to SILENCE YOUR FUCKING KID, YOU ASSHOLE!
--
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Primula X
2006-05-27 18:44:52 UTC
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just general disgust
at how often the CF will sit in seething silence rather than telling
people to SILENCE YOUR FUCKING KID, YOU ASSHOLE!
After going to the management in a 2nd run movie theatre (only a few
people in the audience) where someone's toddler shouted constantly and
mgmt did nothing, I finally lost it and shouted "SHUT UP ALREADY" which
prompted the moo to storm over to me, ready to get into a physical fight
and suggesting that I should rent movies at home if I can't take her
child being a child. :-b

At least I got 2 free tickets from management but they had no spine when
it came to confronting the parents.
Veronique
2006-05-27 19:16:01 UTC
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Post by Pete
just general disgust
at how often the CF will sit in seething silence rather than telling
people to SILENCE YOUR FUCKING KID, YOU ASSHOLE!
After going to the management in a 2nd run movie theatre (only a few
people in the audience) where someone's toddler shouted constantly and
mgmt did nothing, I finally lost it and shouted "SHUT UP ALREADY" which
prompted the moo to storm over to me, ready to get into a physical fight
and suggesting that I should rent movies at home if I can't take her
child being a child. :-b
At least I got 2 free tickets from management but they had no spine when
it came to confronting the parents.
Exactly. It used to be that confrontation, even a mild look of concern,
would bring about mortification that one's offspring had stepped over
the line. But today? It's not that the breeder is unaware that
Shriekzilla is doing her thing in the theater, or that Spasmodic has
flipped over yet another tray of sushi in the restaurant, it's that
*they don't care.* Not their problem. And so, every public correction
by "the village" becomes a verbal confrontation, if not a physical
fight.


V.
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Veronique Chez Sheep
elizabeth
2006-06-02 00:39:28 UTC
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Exactly. It used to be that confrontation, even a mild look of concern,
would bring about mortification that one's offspring had stepped over
the line. But today? It's not that the breeder is unaware that
Shriekzilla is doing her thing in the theater, or that Spasmodic has
flipped over yet another tray of sushi in the restaurant, it's that
*they don't care.* Not their problem. And so, every public correction
by "the village" becomes a verbal confrontation, if not a physical
fight.
That's why the mock sympathy, and "Oh, it must be so hard to have a
Special Needs child" is so effective.

Breeders are like the owners of oversized, overaggressive, unneutered
dogs, who will blame you if the dog attacks you, blame your dog if his
dog rips up your dog.

You simply can't reason with sociopaths using their dogs or their
sprogs to cause problems for other people. They love the fact that
their dog/sprog is annoying/harming you.
Jack
2006-05-28 17:34:15 UTC
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Post by Pete
just general disgust
at how often the CF will sit in seething silence rather than telling
people to SILENCE YOUR FUCKING KID, YOU ASSHOLE!
After going to the management in a 2nd run movie theatre (only a few
people in the audience) where someone's toddler shouted constantly and
mgmt did nothing, I finally lost it and shouted "SHUT UP ALREADY" which
prompted the moo to storm over to me, ready to get into a physical fight
and suggesting that I should rent movies at home if I can't take her
child being a child. :-b
Well, she seems to have *that* one reversed. If her toadler can't behave
itself in public, then *she* should be the one watching movies at home until
it's able to do so.
Post by Primula X
At least I got 2 free tickets from management but they had no spine when
it came to confronting the parents.
I read an article recently about how movie makers and theater owners are
worried about the number of people who are simply opting to skip seeing
movies at the theater entirely.

According the the article, the top complaint from people is the behavior of
other people at the movies, (Cell phones, screaming kids, not shutting the
hell up, etc.) yet aside from a mention that they're pushing legislation
that would allow cell-phone jammers to be used in theaters, they pretty much
skim right past this one, mentioning that if people are being noisy, they'll
offer them free tickets to another showing, but they're afraid of alienating
people by telling them to shut off their phones and shut the hell up.

It strikes me that they *really* don't get it on this subject. Ask any
number of people if they'd prefer to go to a typical movie theater, or pay a
bit more to go to one that's hired bouncers to throw out people who won't
shut up, and probably 95% of them will go with the second option.
--
-Jack-
"Death. It's not just for breakfast anymore."
Jack
2006-05-28 17:24:17 UTC
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So, Fiero won't correct ("punish") the child, and the pahrunts
obviously won't correct the child. So there is no punishment for bad
behavior, but there *is* a reward for good behavior. And the reward is
predicated as a balance between bad and good.
Can anyone else see the cycle that feeds upon itself? And the
inevitable outcome?
I knew you could.
Dunno. Sitting and reading a book for the entire wait sounds like *exactly*
the sort of thing that I'd have done as a kid, reward or no reward, and I'd
have been happy enough to have gotten a free desert for it.

Since the sort of kids who'd sit and read during a wait are likely already
the civil, civilized ones I don't see a lot wrong with some posative
reinforcment for it. In my experience, the kids who behaved like human
beings and not like rabid animals had quite enough to deal with just having
to interact with their so-called "peers" day in and day out. I have a lot of
sympathy for them. (Having been one myself.) A bit of recognition is not, I
think, a bad thing. :)

You and I can walk away from the usual crack monkeys that most kids are.
Imagine being forced to interact with them day after day after day for
years. There's a *reason* why I don't like kids. It's because I couldn't
stand *other* kids when *I* was a kid. :)
--
-Jack-
"Death. It's not just for breakfast anymore."
khan
2006-05-28 18:46:23 UTC
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Since the sort of kids who'd sit and read during a wait are likely already
the civil, civilized ones I don't see a lot wrong with some posative
reinforcment for it. In my experience, the kids who behaved like human
beings and not like rabid animals had quite enough to deal with just having
to interact with their so-called "peers" day in and day out. I have a lot of
sympathy for them. (Having been one myself.) A bit of recognition is not, I
think, a bad thing. :)
You and I can walk away from the usual crack monkeys that most kids are.
Imagine being forced to interact with them day after day after day for
years. There's a *reason* why I don't like kids. It's because I couldn't
stand *other* kids when *I* was a kid. :)
Neither could I.

A good response to "You were a kid once."
Rabbit
2006-05-29 11:42:58 UTC
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A good response to "You were a kid once."
I often say, "I've gotten pissed a couple of times. Does it mean I have to
spend all my time in the company of drunks?"

Rabbit
dalia
2006-05-29 12:17:29 UTC
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Post by Jack
You and I can walk away from the usual crack monkeys that most kids are.
Imagine being forced to interact with them day after day after day for
years. There's a *reason* why I don't like kids. It's because I couldn't
stand *other* kids when *I* was a kid. :)
Neither could I.
A good response to "You were a kid once."
I hated them, too. They were mean, manipulative, and thought that
beating the shit out of each other was "fun."

-dalia
Fountain of Filth
2006-05-28 23:12:38 UTC
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Post by Jack
You and I can walk away from the usual crack monkeys that most kids are.
Imagine being forced to interact with them day after day after day for
years. There's a *reason* why I don't like kids. It's because I couldn't
stand *other* kids when *I* was a kid. :)
Sing it, bruddah!

I'd had enough of babies and other children by the time I
was 6. The next twelve years only seemed to re-enforce that
feeling in new and exciting ways.

~Fountain of Filth
--
"A lot of Christians wear crosses. Do you
think when Jesus comes back,
he's going to want to see a fucking cross?"
~Bill Hicks
Veronique
2006-05-29 15:20:03 UTC
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Whining and dining Children behaving badly can sour restaurant visit
After reading Brenda's refrigerator thread, I read the subject of this
one as "Article on brats in refrigerators".


V.
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Veronique Chez Sheep
Merk
2006-05-30 03:39:35 UTC
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Post by Primula X
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aurant0527.html
Whining and dining Children behaving badly can sour restaurant visit
After reading Brenda's refrigerator thread, I read the subject of this
one as "Article on brats in refrigerators".
I had some brats in my fridge all weekend. Took them out and grilled
them this afternoon. That kind of thing is traditional on holidays in
Wisconsin.

Merk
Rob Novak
2006-06-01 17:35:01 UTC
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With both parents working out of the home, they have little time to
prepare meals. They increasingly depend on restaurants to provide
quality family time, Chucri said. For proof, arrive at any family-
friendly restaurant (Outback Steakhouse, Chili's, Applebee's) at 6 p.m.,
where you likely will wait up to 45 minutes for a table.
What makes me absolutely bat-shit about that statement is that, during
that 45-minute wait for a table a place to have their
"no-time-to-fix-at-home" dinner (plus drive time), I can have prepared
not one, but two fully home-made, simple, nutritious dinners.

Broiling, searing, steaming, and sautee are your friends, breeders.
Crapplebee's chik'n fingers are not.

Stupid twats.
--
Rob on the Web: http://rob.rnovak.net
james
2006-06-01 17:51:18 UTC
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Totally. There's tons of cooking shows on TV, and foodtv.com has tons
of recipes labeled easy. And if it calls for some obscure or expensive
ingredient I don't want to deal with just skip it.

Also even if I just cook for myself I cook MORE than needed. If I fire
up the grill for one steak might as well make 5, then have it for lunch
and dinner the next night with some veggies.

There's articles in other forums about how illiterate to basic cooking
and ingredients people have become, and grocery cashiers don't even
know certain veggies are when they ring them up.
Post by Citizen Ted
On Sat, 27 May 2006 07:28:11 -0700, Primula X
Post by Primula X
With both parents working out of the home, they have little time to
prepare meals. They increasingly depend on restaurants to provide
quality family time, Chucri said. For proof, arrive at any family-
friendly restaurant (Outback Steakhouse, Chili's, Applebee's) at 6 p.m.,
where you likely will wait up to 45 minutes for a table.
What makes me absolutely bat-shit about that statement is that, during
that 45-minute wait for a table a place to have their
"no-time-to-fix-at-home" dinner (plus drive time), I can have prepared
not one, but two fully home-made, simple, nutritious dinners.
Broiling, searing, steaming, and sautee are your friends, breeders.
Crapplebee's chik'n fingers are not.
Stupid twats.
--
Rob on the Web: http://rob.rnovak.net
Miz Daisy Cutter
2006-06-01 21:43:24 UTC
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On Thu, 1 Jun 2006 13:51:18 -0400, james reached into its ass and pulled out
Post by james
There's articles in other forums about how illiterate to basic cooking
and ingredients people have become, and grocery cashiers don't even
know certain veggies are when they ring them up.
Last week, the puzzled teen cashier who was ringing up the shopper in front
of me had to be told that the item he was holding was a head of garlic.

Of course, this was the same store at which, ~3 weeks ago, when I asked the
teenage girl bagging the groceries to keep the perishables all together, she
gave me a blank look and asked, "What are perishables?"

-- Daze
Ilene Bilenky
2006-06-01 21:55:21 UTC
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Post by Miz Daisy Cutter
she
gave me a blank look and asked, "What are perishables?"
Uh... when I was a teenager, I don't think I knew.

Ilene B
Miz Daisy Cutter
2006-06-01 22:28:35 UTC
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On Thu, 1 Jun 2006 17:55:21 -0400, Ilene Bilenky reached into its ass and
pulled out
Post by Ilene Bilenky
Post by Miz Daisy Cutter
she
gave me a blank look and asked, "What are perishables?"
Uh... when I was a teenager, I don't think I knew.
1. IIRC, I knew the word when I was that age. YMMV.

2. She works at a supermarket. You'd think they'd have told her.

-- Daze
Primula X
2006-06-01 22:33:20 UTC
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Post by Citizen Ted
On Sat, 27 May 2006 07:28:11 -0700, Primula X
Post by Primula X
With both parents working out of the home, they have little time to
prepare meals. They increasingly depend on restaurants to provide
quality family time, Chucri said. For proof, arrive at any family-
friendly restaurant (Outback Steakhouse, Chili's, Applebee's) at 6 p.m.,
where you likely will wait up to 45 minutes for a table.
What makes me absolutely bat-shit about that statement
Uh...I didn't write that statement, even though it was credited it to
me.

Meanwhile, dh and I have quit going to our favorite Mexican restaurant
due to an entire meal accompanied by a shouting baby at the next table
and the place was so crowded there wasn't another one available...of
course the little shit didn't start up until we sat down (kicking myself
for not just walking out!). I refuse to spend my money there any more,
as no one gives a damn. In fact, I noticed the place seems to be taken
over by breeders, as there were plenty of highchairs which I never used
to see. When the waitress asked if she could get me anything else, I
said "a pair of earplugs, please" and she just smiled nervously before
going over and cooing at the little bugger.
Abbie F.
2006-06-02 12:09:37 UTC
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Post by Primula X
Post by Citizen Ted
On Sat, 27 May 2006 07:28:11 -0700, Primula X
Post by Primula X
With both parents working out of the home, they have little time to
prepare meals. They increasingly depend on restaurants to provide
quality family time, Chucri said. For proof, arrive at any family-
friendly restaurant (Outback Steakhouse, Chili's, Applebee's) at 6 p.m.,
where you likely will wait up to 45 minutes for a table.
What makes me absolutely bat-shit about that statement
Uh...I didn't write that statement, even though it was credited it to
me.
Meanwhile, dh and I have quit going to our favorite Mexican restaurant
due to an entire meal accompanied by a shouting baby at the next table
and the place was so crowded there wasn't another one available...of
course the little shit didn't start up until we sat down (kicking myself
for not just walking out!). I refuse to spend my money there any more,
as no one gives a damn. In fact, I noticed the place seems to be taken
over by breeders, as there were plenty of highchairs which I never used
to see. When the waitress asked if she could get me anything else, I
said "a pair of earplugs, please" and she just smiled nervously before
going over and cooing at the little bugger.
There's an astronomically high breeder count in our town, a seeming
abundance of restaurants, and yet empty tables are hard to find. You
can forget finding a quiet place -- it's an hour-long wait on weekends
for a table in shriek-torn Hades.

If it's got two tables and a cash register, it's usually packed, but
the moorons avoid one Mexican restaurant in particular. I don't know
why. The food's identical to that served in all the others. Perhaps
it got a bad rating in LocalCow Magazine, or the 99% male staff doesn't
cootchy-coo in English. Perhaps the dark, stark decor and dearth of
high chairs send a signal in some udderly low frequency that we can't
pick up. The same mature, friendly waiter delivers awesome service
every time. When I'm not in the mood to hear ANY kid crap at ALL, I
know this unassuming place will provide much-needed peace and quiet.

There's got to be some sort of breeder grapevine through which they
tell each other, "Eat here!" like ants discovering a soda spill.
Normally, once a famblee discovers something, it's overrun. Not this
Mexican place though - only once did I find a loud redneck bunch
running around, and the subsequent swarm of mini-Joe Dirts never
materialized.
Primula X
2006-06-02 16:56:45 UTC
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Post by Abbie F.
If it's got two tables and a cash register, it's usually packed, but
the moorons avoid one Mexican restaurant in particular. I don't know
why. The food's identical to that served in all the others. Perhaps
it got a bad rating in LocalCow Magazine, or the 99% male staff doesn't
cootchy-coo in English. Perhaps the dark, stark decor and dearth of
high chairs send a signal in some udderly low frequency that we can't
pick up. The same mature, friendly waiter delivers awesome service
every time. When I'm not in the mood to hear ANY kid crap at ALL, I
know this unassuming place will provide much-needed peace and quiet.
It's good you have at least one place to go where you know you can count
on it not to have screaming, raging children. Come to think of it,
there is one place that dh and I like to go that never has kid
noise...even though there are occasionally children there.

It's an Indian place, which specializes in Tandoor, the Indian style
barbeque. I just love their Tandoori chicken, and we've been there
several times around lunchtime. The only children I've ever seen there
are those in Indian families and they make them keep their mouths shut.
I've never seen such well-behaved kids. I don't know if it's just the
parents or if the owner won't put up with any crap, but I suspect the
parents are just more strict and more considerate of other diners.
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